Philosophical High times with Dje4321

ye it matches perfectly, I totally didn’t realize this matched your theory when first watching the video XD

you have to admit though this was ingenious at the time for getting one over on the stock market.

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it just probes my point at how much information you can pass along by doing the subtle things

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ye I mean who would even suspect packages of clothing of a certain colour would set off a signal that reaches the furthest parts of the country relaying information on the stock markets and that seemingly those messages through signals meant what they really did.

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Different economies in one sentence because reasons.

Communist: “Only take what you need”
Capitalist: “Take what you can afford”
Socialist: “Work and your needs will be handled”
Anarchist: “Do as you please but mind your own”

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Is our problem with fake news because we are not encouraging the truth or because we enjoy lies more?

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the news figured out drama sells in the 80s and since then has been… well, yeah lol

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Maybe a little of both? people tend to be drawn to extravagant and shocking stories and the real news doesn’t sell as much and there’s also a factor of a lot of people not wanting to know the true because it might hurt too much to create their own narrative.

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So our problem is capitalism?

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less capitalism, more what people are interested in.
most people don’t give a damn about news, as they think it’s boring but
omg look a man saving a cat from a sewer what a hero
… etc.

personally i like local news shows (sometimes) as they (also sometimes) just are actual news lol.

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maybe partly, money, wealth, and popularity is always a strong motivator and if the truth doesn’t appeal to your audience because they either don’t find it interesting or offensive but a liberal interpretation of the news does then it will naturally skew that towards a different narrative even if the it isn’t intentional at first. Sort of like the news is more for entertainment and the reaction it gets on social media than factual information.

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Im interested in seeing hows china social credit system works out. It could be a critical step towards a “utopian” society. I dont agree with how they are implementing it to control the flow of information but it could lead to interesting things.

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Ignoring the potential ethical side of mass surveillance and peoples privacy such a system in a “utopian” society I could being used to better understand the population which could assist in automating many government and social services so that there more streamlined and efficient. The systems could use the social score to gauge their intentions or could be further be expanded to include other information such as that was used to define the score to tailor specific services to those individuals. this could be a hugely beneficial to industries like healthcare, transport and law enforcement as the flow of information on people and how they live their lives could find trends to better react to such situations and how traffic is diverted or for infection control to stop the spread of deadly diseases or how better to treat certain conditions.

This could also help do away with concepts like physically paying for goods entirely as everyone will know who you are and your trust factor. think the automated amazon store but it works everywhere and you can just take what you want and walk away with it being automatically charged to your account, need a bus ride or rent a bike to get around town, just get on, sit down and get to where you need to go.

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This has been in my head a while so writing it down before it passes.


The next huge shift we could see is a so called children’s rights movement. With technology and the internet increasing not only the level of knowledge of kids but their understanding of the knowledge. We could see a huge shift where kids band together to demand their own set of rights. This could be everything from protection from overbearing parents, privacy rights, right to free time, etc. Probably wont happen in my lifetime but it will probably happen eventually.

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thats and interesting thought. In society there a lot kids are generally not allowed todo. Do you see this movement as a way to allow kids to take more control and have independence from their parents on how they choose to live their lives? such as allowing them to take more decisions on the major events and direction that affect their lives which the responsibility usually lies on their parents to decide? In so this could give them more equal opportunities and freedoms to their adult counterparts?

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Not just their parents but also stuff like schools. My aunt had a rule where if you did the dishes and there was a single dish that wasnt 100% clean then she would dirty every dish in the house and make you wash them all. Or the parents that control every aspect of their kids lives from what music they listen, games they play, etc and you can watch the life drain out of these kids as they are not only disconnected from their peers but also from the actual world.

Is also the cases of parents using their kids as slave labor. They come home and their is a list with 20+ items on it + the homework they have todo + the sports they are forced to participate in. Most of the time they goto bed with 6-7 hours of sleep only to wake up and repeat it all over again.

Look at the kids that are forced todo pageants and how much they hate not only themselves but their parents as well. They DESPISE it but yet they are forced todo it all the same as if they are just some doll that can be dressed up.

Sure a teacher might say they only give out a hour of homework but when you have 6-8 other teachers doing the same then your free time just goes out the window with zero questions asked. Schools should be about learning and homework should be something to help you learn and not something todo because you learned it. Math is ESPECIALLY the worst about this. 80+ problems about algrebra and you have to show your work. Now not only are you making people hate math but they also now only accept 1 solution as the correct one regardless of whether its the best one for them or not. Lets not even get started about how no job would EVER expect you do spend all day at work and then come home and keep working off clock.


This would mostly allow them to gradually go into the adult world instead of being thrust into it

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maybe this should be a thing sooner rather than later. A kid shouldn’t have to worry about any of that and have the freedom to find themselves as they go into the world. I get that some parents do that for their “protection” and sure they might make mistakes but thats part of growing up and they’ll be a better person for it. My parents could be strict at times but they weren’t unreasonable and at least gave me the freedom to decide what I wanted in my free time. I mean I stayed out late at night climbing walls and getting into fights and I didn’t turn out too bad for it.

It has to come from the kids though. Anywhere else and parents will ALWAYS react against it because the big government is telling them how to raise their kids and only they get to make that decision. Hardest part about that for them is actually having their voice heard. No adult ever listens to the kids. Its always spun as hormones, boys, etc causing them to make rash decisions when they want nothing more than to expresss themselves freely.

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your absolutely right. in many ways children are probably some of the most marginalised people with decisions on everything that affects their lives being made for them by people who don’t fully understand or know what there going though. similarly it would be difficult to come from somewhere else because children don’t have a voice or somebody to represent them in today’s society who understands them as they can’t vote or decide what direction the the county is going and what polices are being made that could very much affect them.

semi political point but i’ll leave it here. teens were not allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum and the outcome of it would affect them way more than anyone else who voted

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A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

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Another one of society’s huge problem is the fact that society seems to be ignoring the human condition. I look back on older shows and they always seemed to be dealing with the human condition. If a character ever had something that made them miserable, sad, angry, etc then someone would voluntarily (It is a show after all) step up and help them understand and help them work through it. Compare it to modern day stuff where peoples main reaction is to just ignore what they feel and/or pass of what they feel as being someone elses fault. Becky dumped you? Lets go hit up the bar and find you a new girl, She was a bitch anyway.

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